Most Biased Ever:

Discussion With Erebus and Noel:

Questions Noel Ignored:

Erebus Rambling PM:

Eru wrote:noticed Erebus promptly while continuing it's task, and safely signaled Vice the best ways the cute ball entirely can.

On the contrary to what might be thought, Vice has no intention of using his staff for anything but a desperate casting stick.

Noel Raion wrote:

Time When players enter a thread they are allowed to choose at what time they enter at will. That means yes, while you can start out a topic and it starts out as day; another player may join at night. Just by proposing a timeline (ie the middle of the day) does not mean your opponent will accept. How would one counter this play? As the person with initiative (the starting in this case) you could have done two things which spring to mind; option one being you call the other player out for confirming you at a position in a timeline which there's no validity of you being there(thus invalidating their post) and then leave the topic since nobody came during the day. Option two you discuss this out of character and come to an agreement about the time, assuming both players come to an agreement you could also agree to editing your posts to reflect this. Yes, people can choose the time they enter. Erebus didn't choose the time he entered, he tried to vague manipulate the time, and only mentioned a purple sky before he spawns 20 meters away at a dark spot. Vice is looking around with his Eru, Erebus cannot spawn 20 meters away out of nowhere. In this context Vice says hes there at a certain time, and Erebus then tries to confirm seeing him still at that position many hours later while its never explicitly hinted that Vice was staying there all night (thus calling into question the validity of the vague manipulation). From this: Having kept swinging all together on his approach, Vice has kept his actor's setting in mind, and thinks about exercising on this farmland. Erebus attempts to vague manipulate Vice in staying there all night so that his entrance is more comfortable towards his arsenal (that being the darkness of night). Erebus' post: Through the dark once he approached twenty meters of Vice's location Vice's post: Valuing his initiative, Erebus wanted to wait around for daytime to end, and without Vice or his companion giving him reason to stop the start of what Vice considers the Night's Watch. Erebus describes it being dark as he approached starting at twenty meters away from Vice. This is a possible situation, as this farmland is so vast and flat it could have taken a long time for Erebus to finally approach Vice within a twenty meter distance. Which is what Vice is trying to vague manipulate Erebus into. Bunnying: A term used in roleplaying, bunnying is taking control of characters other than your own in order to make the storyline go the way you want it to. Closely related to god-modding. No, I'm not controlling Erebus. He has no pathway on an open plains. Just like Noel has directly controlled people to lose with vague manipulating, all I did was fill in Erebus's pathway. Erebus was not stuck there, he just didn't need to make a lazy 2 hour post. At what distance could Vice spot Erebus at, given Erebus joins the topic during the start of night? Why is this a question? Let me preface this by saying that we all know that you cannot control the movements of a character. You may however confirm actions they've established in their own posts with actions you are performing. You are correct Vice in assuming you could have seen Erebus approach (as this land is flat); you may not however unreasonably infer this abuse. Stating that a person is standing still for a long duration of time, or moving them in certain directions is not allowed if it goes beyond reasonable terms. So to answer as to why this is a question: it's because it determines the reaction speed of the first round. Noel's assessment of unreasonableness is what he gets approved for fighting. Vague -manipulation- isn't a subjective thing where something is reasonable and then isn't. That's just bias, where one person can use something fully, and others can't. You cannot make someone stop breathing or other silliness with vague manipulation, like Noel actually suggested could happen if he wasn't around to stop that "extremeness". If a person's post logically progresses, they don't drop dead in the middle of it by ceasing breathing, because breathing isn't in their post. Noel has gotten suffocating approved on other sites I guess, and it shows how he views vague manipulation to this day. Erebus OOC: I expedition from my tavern to go find you. You never specify any environmental information so therefore, I just came from behind for a friendly invitation. Why is Noel quoting OOC? In Vice's first post: the surrounding flat farmlands are endlessly vacant without any cover In Erebus' post: Yes, as if to prove you can't trust a bounty board Erebus walked toward the farmlands behind his tavern This is correct, but the tavern would have to be beyond sight of Vices position. Given the curvature of this world that could be miles. Vice's OOC: My Eru sees you, signals me, and I'm also looking around in my first post. Vice's post: Still wandering his eyes, and looking around his surroundings, Vice promptly noticed a newcomer's entrance. Winding it's head around to cover Vice's blindsides, the Eru also noticed Erebus promptly while continuing it's task, and safely signaled Vice the best ways the cute ball entirely can. This bit is incorrect as you and someone who covers your blindsides can't notice a newcomer at the same time. It is somewhat implied that Vice sees Erebus first, then Eru does and signals to Vice. Regardless, its a flat area of land - even in the night Vice would have seen Erebus silhouette over the area. Considerably more so with his explicit and repeated mentions of him looking around. If we take the tangent into account where its night and it'd be hard to see; remember that if it was too hard for Erebus to see Vice, he wouldn't have been able to wander towards him in the first place. Did Noel just insinuate solely off the word "also", that I simultaneously saw something with my pet? It's basic language like this where you can see someone's biased. Erebus enters the twenty meter range within Vice at the start of night. Vice will have seen Erebus coming in closer due to the flatness and the wideness of the area leaving him with ample time to setup a plan and prepare buffing spells. Due to Vice having ample of room to prepare, his buff spells have been successfully cast. Vice sees Erebus before 20 meters, and interrupts Erebus. Vice then appears to be moving towards Erebus. It is undetermined at what speed this is. Here's Noel insinuating that speed attribute isn't moving at full speed. That's okay, I explicitly say in my post I'm moving promptly and most efficiently, with similar wordings. Erebus in his previous post mentions him watching for the slightest of movement and whether seals would manifest. Given that his reaction in his following post is tied to this point of time, his response was timed to him starting his dialogue. Erebus wrote:While Erebus spoke he watched for the slightest movements, and whether seals would manifest. Here you can see Noel ignores that Erebus watching for movements is dependent on him speaking, which he doesn't. So this boils down to you both move towards each other at the same time. Vice indicates he moves in a way which would make it hard for Erebus to stab him. Alas Vice cannot accurately see Erebus at this time as his cloak is active, combined with the start of night it'd have to be too difficult for Vice to move in an evasive manner from a force that moves at a great speed. However he does hover over Erebus Erebus's spell cannot move sharply, and his pathway is obvious. The farmland is not invisible, Erebus steps on difficult ground and soft ground I described, leaving tracks. Noel said all my buffs went through. My speed is 252 versus Erebus's 153. I'm flying, Erebus isn't. I'm presuming Noel is having an English problem here, and doesn't know I'm not hovering about someone's head. Vice wrote:but leg work is max difficult for all on the dry farmland. If Vice had to work an area constantly, he'd prefer it to be in the dark and in his element. All of the standard soil is soft, but easy to step in one place, as Vice is. Hovering? Is made irrelevant as Vice would have to get close enough for Erebus to be able to strike him, given the unusual high speed - as well as it being the start of night, and Erebus being half visible due to his spell tracking him is certainly an option, but not as accurately and precisely as depicted by Vice. Due to this perpetual motion around Erebus, and Erebus just blindly slashing with his dagger. With this high speed taking into mind, Vice could not accurately strike at Erebus. Due to the low rank of the flying speed, mastery over its movement cannot be assumed. Why would I need to be close enough for Erebus to strike me? The invisibility is irrelevant anyway, it's mid-day, as Erebus's pathway entering this area doesn't take place during a time. He arrives at night, I interrupt Erebus before then. Interrupting someone entering an area isn't "controlling their character". As both targets are moving towards one another at high speeds, Vice appears to levitate above the ground as he sets off - but he soon would have to stop hovering as high off the ground in order to effectively land strikes upon Erebus. During this exchange Erebus slashes towards Vice and attempts to break his staff by using his off hand to grab it. In response Vice attempts to 'strike' him, at this time it is not clear how (kicks, punches) - aimed at the hand of his dagger. It is reasonable to assume it is punches due to the movement being so keen on avoiding returning fire. Due to the high speed of both opponents, the half-invisible Erebus and the start of night Vice aims for Erebus' hand that held the dagger, due to it being in a slashing motion as point of contact was made, Vices fist connects with the dagger. Why would I need to not hover? Noel has this power fantasy where he wants all fights to be robotic brawls, and like a UFC cage fight. He thinks everything is trades, when I'm faster than Erebus, and winding around the guy. Why would Erebus have the first strike? Yes, my strikes aren't clear. They don't need to be clear. You don't choose for Erebus what my strikes are, just because he didn't include them at all. Why am I aiming for Erebus's hand? Buckle in folks, the full bunnying ride of Noel's battlemodding has arrived. It's weird too, Noel's calculation below says my armor, when he said staff above. Hit Breakdown > Equipment receive one rank lower in damage from physical attacks. 1x A damage is applied onto Vices Reinforced Leather Cuirass, leaving it with 1xA durability 1x S 1x B damage is applied onto Erebus' dagger by Vices fist, leaving it with 1xA 1xB durability During this exchange, Erebus with his off hand grabs Vices staff and applies A rank damage to the staff. He notices it requires twice as much force than he initially anticipated, causing him to fumble and miss his next attack. So Erebus got 2 attacks, when I'm faster. That's really interesting, Noel. 1x S damage is applied to Vice's staff and it breaks 1x S 1x A damage is applied onto Erebus' armor by Vices other fist, it breaks at 1x S rank and A rank damage is applied to his torso. Leaving his torso with 1x S 1x A in durability before it becomes hindered. His total health drops to 2x S 1x A Hey look, I broke Erebus's armor in Noel's bunnyland. Doesn't that mean Erebus doesn't have invisibility anymore? Why does Noel's entire second half of his post below include Erebus having invisibility? The inertia that is involved for Vice to turn his entire body around to kick instead of punch is great enough where Erebus can land two hits in the time it takes Vice to turn his body and start kicking instead of previously punching. If we consider that Vice is roughly a meter out of Erebus' range during the circular movement, it'd arguably take at least two circles around Erebus for him to have his body turned around in order to kick Erebus as the velocity, centripetal force & his rotation axis all comes into question. As both targets are moving at high speeds, for Vice to continue the motion of a circle around his target would mean that the circle had to be very tight. Arguably tight enough for lets say a rogue sticking out his dagger at any position of this circle to simply strike Vice for every bout he passes around his target. Why am I kicking again, Noel? There are no kicks on any RP post. Are people's posts your game to bunny with when you battle mod? Look how Noel mentions velocity, centripetal force, and rotation axis. These are nice words, right? What relevance do they have, when I'm faster, and Erebus's spell doesn't allow sharp turns? Like I said, Noel wants a power fantasy of illogical UFC fights on an anime RP. You do not need to telegraph any of your strikes on a RP. You can poke someone, and on many sites, you deal full damage. Vice wrote:Flying toward the rogue brings Vice to move in a manner that tries to contradict the tactical twists of Erebus's body, and avoid any dagger pointing. Positioning is maximized to try to prevent Erebus from being in an ideal posture to encounter the blows of Vice. While on his approach, Vice ensures he keeps only a close hovering distance to Erebus, for safety and to make sure Vice can cast his spells if still not manifested. 1x A damage is applied to Vice's armor, and it breaks 1x S damage is applied to Vice's body, 1x S rank endurance remains on the torso, 2x S health remains in total At this point in time, Vice would have had enough time to turn his entire body around to keep concentrating on Erebus' slashing arm. After a few rotations around him, the position from where he got hit from can now accurately be predicted. Uh he's not invisible. Why do you construe footwork, well flywork, as spinning around someone aimlessly? Do you think real, tactical fights consist of centrifugal force or some silliness? Punches and slashes are dodgeable, people in boxing do so constantly. Noel's made it so nobody dodges anything lmao. 1x S damage is applied to Vice's leg, 1x S rank endurance remains on the leg, 1x S health remains in total 1x S 1x A damage is applied to Erebus' arm(holding the dagger), this arm drops to 1x A durability, and his total health drops to 1x S The arm holding the dagger then loses the dagger, like my post says Erebus does, as a vital strike. But not to Noel, nono, we keep mindlessly striking each other. All my blows were stated to be focusing on vital strikes to Erebus. Both players are now capable of critically striking each other. Vice can use one of his legs, or alternatively punch him twice with A rank damage. Erebus has to hit Vice with his dagger once. According to Vices attack pattern, he would encircle Erebus one final time with the intention of kicking him with the leg that hasn't been hit yet or has already used the one millie enhancement. As Erebus has a weapon giving him a sleight range advantage versus his opponents lack of physical weapon, with it being the start of night and Erebus being half invisible it can be assumed that his attacks land before his opponents do, and that Vice despite getting hit in return still attempts to land his hits onto Erebus. A mark of a warrior, perhaps. What attack pattern Noel? The one you've been bunnying in your play? I've used my One Millie offensive spell 4 times. And yeah again, notice the invisible thing when Erebus has no armor. Last line is Noel making an arrogant remark, I guess? 1x S damage is applied to Vice's other leg, 1x S rank endurance remains on this leg, his health drops and he is knocked out as Erebus lands his dagger before he could land his leg on his arm. I like how Noel got too lazy at the end, to include equivalent and magically simultanenous strikes of me and Erebus. Hitting the ground, Vice crashes into the earth as his spells are no longer usable in his subconscious state. Heavily bleeding from all directions, both him and Erebus are in critical condition - but perhaps Vice moreso than Erebus. Whereas Erebus is severely battered, incapable of lets say, carry a body across this field to throw in the guild dungeon. Again, last remark, HMMMM Noel seems like a very fair and neutral battle mod.

5 things I called into question.

• Casting motion, as per Jyu’s own words, spells need individual castings they cannot instantly stack. I write having went in at his first buff casting, a speed casting, which isn’t the endurance buffs he needs to survive pain tolerances. assuming he is still busy swinging then I should get hits in as far as to break his staff at minimum; before he applies his first One Millie Spell. It should have a 1 Post CD so no more S-rank damage on his limbs would come into effect until his CD is finished later.
  
  
  Noel said himself his ruling didn't take this into account, but it's there. Why would I be swinging in place, when I explicitly focus on casting speed spells first, to then avoid you until spells are completed? It only takes 4 spells to equal your speed, as I've said repeatedly. You and Noel have this perspective where you run at a person, they don't go anywhere, you keep punching them?
  
  
• I have noted that if he can see me, I should be able to see him, and that time between me realizing I have found my target and his first seal going off will send me forward. Hitcall damage from Eru to Vice. I would assume at 1 END this is disorientating to C-rank pain tolerance in some way shape or form.
  
  No, Noel wrote that in his verdict, that we can both see each other. And because things can see you, you don't get to spawn right next to someone who interrupts your pathway to there. Noel specifically denied your hitcall, and you can't even claim it. Where the hell are you claiming in my writing that a pet attacks someone, when you're denying vague manipulating elsewhere? You're immediately sliding in the hypocrisy I talked about with you and Noel.
  
  

  Winding it's head around to cover Vice's blindsides, the Eru also noticed Erebus promptly while continuing it's task, and SAFELY SIGNALED Vice the THE BEST WAYS the cute ball entirely can.

  
  
• Vice attempts to vaguely manipulate that I can’t get defensive until after dialogue, but disregards that a new window of response is going off, and denying me the ability to respond is another link to why I have called the battle mod in the first place. Since it’s a pattern of his godmod and denial to be wrong, I believe I should be able to claim the hitcalls as punishment for this foul play.
  
  You don't get a new window of response, when you already posted it last post! You don't get two posts to respond, lmaoooo what even is this?
  
  
• Vice is using OOC knowledge of systems unrelated to our combat in general, he has stated this as backing towards being able to control my actions and allow his own preparation before I can get a turn 1 post. I do write a defensive preparation in some form my own first post, but this is to defend from what I see as his own actions, in the case his set-up worked. Not that I believed it should.
  
  I'm using OOC knowledge of systems, to RP, and you're saying that's bad. Are you out of your mind? You don't read the rules, and you want to be rewarded for it? You had your turn last post. Your defensive preparation is based off you talking in your first post, which you specifically said you didn't do.
  
  
• Vice never did put my name in the closed brackets, so why couldn’t it be considered an invasion, and even further, why does he believe he can prep attacks and I can’t when the rule was made for 2 players in mind, not just the person being invaded, but too the invaders from players who act as-- well-- Temp.
  
  WHY DOES THIS GUY KEEP MENTIONING INVASION? AAAAAAA LMAO I DON'T CARE IF YOU INVADE. YOU CAN PREP ATTACKS, YOUR FIRST POST IS NOT EVEN ATTACKING.
  

Bonus:

I need to call into question flight spells moving people at max run speed, even though I don't believe it’s as relevant as other points, it nulls Lunging, the 4 seconds, and spell speeds of 20/ms. I believe these spells were discussed as being not-allowed, even though there are members with it, the spells ignore multiple respects to our combat system. Phantom Dancer being an exception to the rule and the main reason I use it myself, as it’s meant to help the rogue actually move faster than a dash to get away.

The battle mod himself in Noel has the same spell wording. Tomoe has the same sort of spell.

Noel's Spell wrote:The user manipulates gravitational forces around himself, in order to levitate and fly if desired. The user of this spell has to use his right fist to point at the direction he intends to fly towards. Lowering his fist after activation causes the user to levitate given that the height the user at is at supported by the spell rank. User flies the same speed as their running speed, and moves at lunging speed from the ground. At its current rank, this spell allows the user to be 10 meters off the ground.

https://www.fairytailrp.com/t53127-gravity-magic-spells-1xa-1xs